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July 23, 2005

New Centrist Blog and the question of who dislikes centrists more.

Micheal Totten is contributing to a new center-left blog called "Donklephant". Yes, the animal is as ugly as the name, but it is memorable. I haven;t had a chance to review the new blog for any length of time, so I'll hold off any comment except to say "Welcome to the blogosphere's center/pivot/hub"...those sound better than "no-man's-land in the crossfire." We certainly do need to see some former and current Democrats openly speaking as centrist, in the same way we need to hear from the moderate Muslims. The extremists are getting way too much air time.

Michael goes on to wonder if the Left has a more difficult time with the centrists than the Right.

There are, generally speaking, at least two kinds of people who argue with the left. Both right-wingers and centrists do it. Not only is that allowed, it’s part of the whole point of being in the middle instead of on the left.

You can’t even stick one little pinky toe outside the left-wing perimeter without being denounced as a right-wing death beast by some people. That exclusive bitchy little high school clique really does subscribe to the whole “you’re either with us or you're against us” mentality. How unnuanced and simplisme.

He's right there, of course. On issue "A" the perimeter folks find you bein' friendly with their enemy,y and never forget it. On other issues, perhaps even many issues, when you are on their side they will discount that because... well, they're so correct in their thinking they expect everyone to agree. It is tough to win wit any sort of ideologue.

That the Left seems the more intolerant of centrist is because at the moment, the Left is intolerant of everyone. They have become dangerously paranoid and it shows. The Right has been abusing its part of the center for decades, so the level of rancor has mellowed a bit. The conservatives also have been winning lately, with the help of centrists, so things are a bit easier on that flank. I can personally attest, as Michael mentions in this post, that conservatives who are very supporting of former liberals becoming centrist, have a very different response to centrist leanings within the Republican ranks. All in all, though, we've been trading barbs for all my adult life and have evolved a more comfortable relationship.

I've been waiting for the sensible Democrats to show up and be counted. There are times I would like to side with that group. I'm a long way from a 100% supporter of my party too, but the more vocal Democrats these days are unable to see any nuance in their opponents, and won't have me. No if I can just accustom myself to that donklephant on their masthead...

PS Here's a round up of recent Donklephant posts.

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Comments

The “you’re either with us or you're against us” mentality is a keystone of the left. It has its genesis in the labor violence of the age of our grandfathers. True, this was terrible, but it is the issue of many generations ago. The left today fails to see that they build what they call "belief" on layers and layers of "us against them" antecedents. They will always be the "us," and they will never fail to find some kind of "them" to hate.

Posted by: Elliot Essman | Jul 26, 2005 2:49:16 PM

In all fairness Elliot, "you're either with us or against us" can't be relegated to just one party. And the last time I heard those words spoken publicly, they came out of Bush's mouth. Also, there's plenty of "us against them" antecedents on the right as well.

I think where we need to start is by finding common ground and not accusing only one side of the problem. Hence the reason for a centrist approach and blog.

Lastly, thanks for the mention and the great post RC. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Justin Gardner | Jul 26, 2005 6:13:14 PM

Uhmm...Justin. In all fairness, Bush used "you're either with us or against us" in reference to other countries in the War on Terror.

Posted by: MnZ | Sep 7, 2005 10:05:26 PM

I probably would have agreed that the Left tends to be more intolerant of the center than the right, until I watched the Star Simpson hysteria in operation, and then remembered the much earlier hysteria that came in response to any questioning of the need for the First Gulf War, and so much in between.

The impression I'm left with is that we really are seeing the same sort of people at both ends of the political spectrum, the differences between them being more a matter of style than substance.

Posted by: Joseph Dunphy | Sep 29, 2007 11:32:11 AM

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